Clifford Clarke Out - No Official Word From the City (UPDATE 2x)
Posted by Jeff Pruitt - 8/27/08 @ 7:01 pm - Filed Under Uncategorized
Mitch Harper reports that the city’s Chief Technology Officer, Clifford Clarke, has resigned only a day after the contentious IT contract - one that he played a significant role in developing - was approved by city council. Still no official word from the city - were they even aware of his resignation plans or did this come as a surprise?
Although I strenuously disagreed with Clarke on the IT contract, I want to publicly wish him well. I had the opportunity to interact with Clarke through the Open Government Task Force as well as the Cable Fund Advisory Board. Clifford was a genuine champion of open government initiatives and a solid public servant so good luck to him in his future endeavors…
UPDATE: I have it from a well-placed source that he was in fact asked to resign. I still think it’s a slap in the face to Clifford and all his hard work over years that the city PIO office hasn’t even bothered to send out a press release thanking him for his service…
UPDATE 2X: Mayor Henry’s PIO office says “Clifford is on unpaid leave of absence.”
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Clifford was in fact told that he was NOT welcome at the City Council meeting the night before, then the next day, remnants of ACS were told to disable his accounts. The resignation is merely a nicety. He may have had some good ideas, but he was a poor manager. Allowing people like Jimmy Branton and Pete Joseph free reign to terrorize without any leadership skills at all was his weakness. he was in a position to direct the leadership of ACS, but instead fostered an environment where ACS management chose to bite the hand that fed them.
“were they even aware of his resignation plans or did this come as a surprise?”
Was his resignation something like this?
‘Next time you get a direct question, give a direct answer’?
Sorta like John Ashcroft and Gonzo!!
7to5 they fired him!
Mr. Colgate, you served the City for a long time, you know how these things go. The resignation was just simply a way for him to save face. He was fired.
I am seriously starting to wonder exactly how many people have no idea what really happens on a day-to-day basis at the city-county building. Who issued a press release when ACS management fired dozens of contractors for no apparent reason? These weren’t contractors that worked on the street projects, these were 8-5 every day contractors that worked on the IT infrastructure! These were intelligent, educated, dedicated professionals who could work circles around the full-time, old-boys club of ACS and their nepotism-bred management. Contractors that the customers in the city and county loved because they were honest and got the job done. Where were the press releases when they got let go? They weren’t even eligible for unemployment because of the contracting agreement Jimmy Branton set up with TIG! These people had families too. What hardship will Clifford have to endure? Maybe he’ll have to sell the spinning rims from his Lincoln Navigator.
Try being a contractor:
You must be thinking of someone else. I have NEVER worked for the city of Fort Wayne or for that fact, Allen County. I am currently enjoying a simi-retirement.
I have learned the way things go in government from a somewhat long life of dealing with governments and politicians. I have never been ashamed to put my real name on my posts. My parents taught me to never be ashamed of who you are. Try it sometime. Or are you trying to cover your tracks?
Perhaps the City and County should look alittle closer at the lack of internal controls. There are so many nested groups of internal IT that do not want to conform to a centralized control. The CTO had very little power and may City Department Heads could over ride the CTO. All departments need to be required to go through IT Governance. There are tons of tax payers money that is lost to poor internal controls.
Mr. Colgate,
My apologies for the misidentification. I am anonymous because of the situation. You might say I represent those who cannot speak for themselves. these people have been threatened with their job if they even mention the word “CONTRACT”, although that is hardly relevant NOW isn’t it?
Let’s get serious, we all know what happened. Clifford is a nice guy with good ideas who just was not skilled on how to navigate through the government process. He really should have had a mentor. The down side is the IT will be managed by Ed and his toy dinosaur playing buddies. Yes, that is correct. If you visit Ed’s office you will see he and his staff have a full complement of toy they play with routinely. This is County executive leadership at it’s best. In a time of tight budgets it’s nice to know we have such competent leadership. What are the people above Ed thinking, especially since he is not even got a technology background? I did hear however that he does know how to use MS Word and Excel. That should clearly qualify him to be a technology leader with great vision. I for one as a County employee am thoroughly disgusted. It just goes to validate the saying the largest turd always floats to the top of the bowl.
Mr.Try being a contractor under him… Can I just call you Try Being or would you prefer Mr. Contractor?
Anyway, It would appear to me that you are more likly an employee of the city. Else how would you know anything at all about the mechanisms of his removal?
“remnants of ACS were told to disable his accounts.”
Not that any of this makes a partical of difference to me. All I knew about Clarke was condensed to just under 9 minutes of video posted on the internet. Never met the man. I just learned long ago (the hard way, I might add), ‘you don’t tug on Superman’s cape and you don’t spit into the wind.’ Mr. Clarke did both during the same meeting with the entire bloodbath televised LIVE!
Have a nice day! And, don’t forget to log out!
Try being a contractor,
I will be the first to admit that I don’t know everything that’s going on at the city-county building. I rely on insiders like you and others to leak information to educate the public.
If we rely only on information coming from the city then we’re obviously not going to get the full picture. My e-mail box is always open to anyone that wants their story told…
County Informant,
The fact that Ed does not believe in running things like a tyrant, hardly disqualifies him. He fosters a working environment where creativity and innovation is encouraged. Besides, Clifford has a Master’s Degree in DATA PROCESSING. For you non-tech savvy individuals out there, that means he’s really good at 1. Writing papers and 2. Changing backup tapes. Ed is a competent leader, and that is why he will succeed, despite what you call a lack of a technology background. Ed has since surrounded himself with the people who can actually do the work, as a team. Clifford simply surrounded himself with people who responded to ultimatums by rolling onto their backs with their tails betwen their legs. When it came time for him to answer the technical questions, his true knowlege came through…..on LIVE TV as Mr. Colgate has pointed out.
Anon…
The problem with the lack of internal IT controls isn’t so much of an organizational one. Clifford reported directly to the Mayor, who is rightfully the big cheese. The CTO position is supposed to have ultimate direction over all technology issues. The CTO then had a project manager liason within ACS (employed by ACS), who was supposed to give guidance to ACS Management. However, ACS Management repeatedly chose to fight with not only City Department heads, but Clifford as well on many issues. Clifford would pass down his orders to his project manager with no idea how it was really done. He would set unrealistic timetables for ACS, then ACS would in turn underemploy resources to the projects. Contractors like myself, working on projects would be torn between pleasing our laughing ACS masters or pleasing the customers in the City Departments.
If other City Department heads have been given override authority on ACS, it is not by design, but in response to ACS Management’s lack of cooperation with those departments.
Please keep in mind, ACS as a global IT company is not bad, only the Fort Wayne Management was.
ACS has repeatedly sent people from Dallas to try and straighten out the local management in Fort Wayne. if ACS lost the contract, it is not because of ACS Corporate.
I would jump in with this. My dealings with Cliff were always positive. From some peoples perspective he may not paid attention to some details. But a CIO does not, and should not micro manage his contractor (ACS). If ACS had issues with their sub-contractors, that is an ACS issue, not a Cliff. As former sub-contractor, trust me most of the released subs were let go for just cause. They were not the perfect, abused worker as made out above. Besides, I read my contract when I signed on, knew the terms of my employment. Being discharged for ANY REASON is clearly spelled out. Best of luck Cliff, and those of ACS that will not make it though transition
I was sorry to learn of Clifford’s resignation. Although we disagreed strenuously on the IT contract, he and I are long time friends and I have a lot of respect for him. The City CIO job is very difficult - as a previous commenter suggested, the IT environment is very decentralized, with a long culture of departments operating on their own (with the attitude that their project is the most important and highest priority) and with a relatively small investment in IT management. In that environment, just getting through the day without falling behind can be a struggle. Clifford was able to move a number of initiatives forward and that speaks for itself. I will certainly miss working with him.
Ms Goldner,
That is absolutely correct, City departments do have a long history of operating on their own as far as IT initiatives. However, if you are referring to the SAN Migration project as one of those things that speak for itself, then you truly underestimate Clifford’s involvement or understanding of that process. The people that understand that process are the same people who invented the process, because neither Clifford OR ACS gave any leadership or guidance, just deadlines. Those people are all gone now, thankfully mostly to better jobs elsewhere where they are treated with professional respect for their work….which is all they wanted to begin with. Instead they were daily threatened with their jobs, and called “TEMP” in the most degrading manner possible.
Dear County informant,
I assume you are talking about me. I am in fact NOT a dinosaur. I am a radioactive lizard created by the atomic bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
Get your facts straight before you go hatin’
- GZ -
Contractor turnover is defiantly high in this location but not unwarranted.
Personally I received plenty of e-mails, phone calls, and city/county employees stopping me in the hall requesting certain contractors never come back to that office again. Incidents such as a male contractor staring at female clients inappropriately or failure to complete projects and buying chocolates for the clients to save face. Plain and simple the contractors that got let go could barely follow step by step instructions let alone work independently. ACS has hired many of contractors that have proven they can handle the work load. Additionally the statement regarding 8-5 every day is completely false. I can’t remember the last I saw a contractor let go that worked 40 hours a week. With Jimmy and Pete’s leadership skills being up for question, anyone who takes the network/helpdesk this far from the catastrophe it was 4 or 5 years ago must be doing something right.
Also, Clifford doesn’t have spinners they are the stock rims and to further such stereotypes is childish and unprofessional on its own.
I agree with most of Good ol Boys comments. A sub contractors fate was in their hands. If you did your job, come to work and dealt wih the users in a professiona, you where OK.
The “fate’ of any sub contractor is more of a reflection of themselves, then anything else. Just like any job.
Try being a contractor under him….
Please don’t apologize to me. The guy that needs your apology is the one you though I was. He, most likely is very concerned about what is going on right now. He may be on the same bubble you were as a contractor.
As I’m sure you have learned, most political entities (Cities, Counties, etc.) are controlled by folks that know a lot less about what you do than anyone else. They didn’t get their jobs by being great workers or, in many cases even mediocre workers. Elected officials win popularity contests. The appointed supervisors, in many cases have been promoted one step higher than their ability to supervise. There are exceptions to this rule but, they are few and far between. It becomes necessary for these appointed (or anointed ) supervisors to try and make you look bad so they look like they are working.
I can assure you, you will hardly ever get the full picture from government. Remember, they hired Mr. Clarke. To admit that he just didn’t work out, or whatever makes them look bad in the eyes of the taxpayer (read that as the voter). Plus, they don’t want Mr. Clark to go to the National Enquirer and try to sell his story. I could go on and on but……. anyway, call the guy you thought I was. Tell him you really didn’t mean to throw his __ t in the street (’cause he has a boss too).
Try being a contractor under him….
Please don’t apologize to me. The guy that needs your apology is the one you though I was. He, most likely is very concerned about what is going on right now. He may be on the same bubble you were as a contractor.
As I’m sure you have learned, most political entities (Cities, Counties, etc.) are controlled by folks that know a lot less about what you do than anyone else. They didn’t get their jobs by being great workers or, in many cases even mediocre workers. Elected officials win popularity contests. The appointed supervisors, in many cases have been promoted one step higher than their ability to supervise. There are exceptions to this rule but, they are few and far between. It becomes necessary for these appointed (or anointed ) supervisors to try and make you look bad so they look like they are working.
I can assure you, you will hardly ever get the full picture from government. Remember, they hired Mr. Clarke. To admit that he just didn’t work out, or whatever makes them look bad in the eyes of the taxpayer (read that as the voter). Plus, they don’t want Mr. Clark to go to the National Enquirer and try to sell his story. I could go on and on but……. anyway, call the guy you thought I was. Tell him you really didn’t mean to throw his __ t in the street (’cause he has a boss too).
wow, everyone is googling Clifford Clarke today.
“I can’t remember the last I saw a contractor let go that worked 40 hours a week”
-That is because you never even knew half of our names, why would you remember?
The departure (or possible departure based on the most recent 2X update) of Clifford or any other strategic move by City &/or County leadership is not by itself a key event. What qualifies as a key event is the results of the strategic moves.
It is far too early to assess the success or lack thereof on both the change in IT vendor and the possible change in the City CIO/CTO position.
As a former ACSer, current County employee, and apparently dinosaur err Godzilla fan I have seen a tremendous effort on behalf of City and County to:
* Implement more robust IT governance processes
* Focus IT efforts to support the Departments
* Resolve issues with the technology platform
* Update aging software systems
* Increase awareness of IT collaboration possibilities across the City/County enterprise
ACS, given their role as an Outsourced vendor, did not participate in the establishment of the items listed above. They did work very hard to partner with the City and County to implement changes as a resultof the items listed above. It must also be added that ACS did much of this work within the constraints of what could be loosely called a “Keep the lights on” FTE based contract dating from the late 80’s. In short the on-site ACS group went above and beyond the call of duty collectively speaking.
As with any group or team there are always star performers, middle of the road-ers, and those who may not shall we say make the grade. This being a subjective judgement better left to those in management, it’s not my place to comment at a resource level.
The new contract is the result of a recognition of the need to evolve the technology platform and not from any unresolveable, massive issues with ACS. ACS was one of the bidders on the RFP and was considered using the same criteria as all other respondents. They just did not make the final cut.
As is well known, technology is a rapidly moving target and the rampant growth in this sector makes continued evolution a constant part of the equation. As such there will always be room for improvement & pain points to learn from.
Funds are at a premium and as such City and County leadership are focusing greater efforts on finding those areas where the resources spent can add value to both.
This, as with all growth, does not happen instantly and there will nearly always be areas where problems need to be addressed and ironed out.
Over the past few years I have witnessed changes in the relationship between the City and County that make it much easier to mutually address these types of IT issues and work towards mutually beneficial resolution.
Tensions have run high as a result of the changes surrounding the IT Outsource vendor contract. I would contend that the interest in this process is a great thing as it has allowed for expanded dialogue and introspection (not to mention an opportunity for some to vent long internalized frustrations in a public forum :-).
I also would have never thought that the topic of Information Technology would stir the emotions of so many beyond the stereotypical basement dwelling, Star Trek watching, hot pocket munching World or Warcraft set (of which I count myself).
Nothing too controversial here, but hopefully helps move the discussion away from “hatin’” as a certain radiated lizard friend of mine might say.
I worked with Cliff back when we were both IT geeks at Lincoln.
I wish him well and it is probably for the best that he moves on and away from this highly charged/no-win situation.
One thing that bothers me - from an outsider’s perspective - it appears that the City isn’t clear on what it wants its IT department to be (when it grows up).
Maybe they ought to figure that out before they start hiring Cliff’s replacement. This Ed guy may be great and there might be some big bang buck savings in consolidation - but why in the world are people leaping there - before some other leadership due diligence occurs?
Moving anyone into that position with all of the chaos and lack of identity for that function - that department - is a masturbatory, check the box exercise.
I recently had the pleasure of visiting the County Commissioners’ office to speak with them and am glad to report that the Red Power Ranger and Godzilla (Stop Dinosaur Oppression) are alive and well.
Wow…things are definitely stirred up! What a great topic…the passion…the anger…the hilarity…the dinosaur (I mean Godzilla). It is too bad that not more has been focused on what happened the previous evening. I think that everyone watched with great anticipation of another train wreck similar to that from the week before. Instead, we were treated to Jim Howard and Ed Steenman. I really enjoyed Mr. Didier looking Jim Howard sternly in the face saying “I trust you Jim, you have never lied to me.” If he only knew the truth…it was stated that the new contract was only $300,000 more than what the City is paying now. Well that is almost true, except almost $1,000,000 of what they are paying now goes away because that money was used to pay the contractors for the SAN migration (a project that is now complete), so really next year the City/County will pay $1,300,000 more than what they normally would pay. Ed was asked what one of the downfalls of ACS was??? He pondered his thoughts ever so carefully and came up with the way projects are managed did not work well for them. Well, I almost bought that except for one thing. On the County side projects are managed by Phil Pease and Joel Carboni (both County employees), so I am a little confused. Are Phil and Joel not meeting the County’s expectations or was Ed just confused?
Now let’s look at the fine decision making of Clifford and Ed on the SAN migration. They paid a consultant to give them guidance on how to migrate everything from the Novell environment to Microsoft’s Active Directory. That company told them they could do the job for them and it would cost them roughly $1,000,000 and be completed in six months. Well they did not like that and thought that they could do it themselves, so for the next 2 years they spent approximately $1,000,000 a year to complete the same task. That is $2,000,000, for those of you keeping score, spent on a job that could have been done for half the cost.
Let’s take a quick look at some individual achievements.
Ed bought an archiving solution for the SAN that cost well over $100,000 (the County will have to look up the exact figure. They should know, they approved the purchase) that sat in a closet for close to 2 years and still has not been implemented.
Clifford approved payment of approximately $150,000 (It appears that Clifford did not get approval for this type of expenditure since I do not recall him going before Council for the funds) to a local vendor for something that the Police Department no longer uses. Surely there is a good reason that Purchasing and the Controller’s office did not catch this when it happened???
Tim Pape chastised Clifford for trying to push this whole contract thing through when it was obvious that the contract was not complete. I am sure that Clifford and Ed’s vacations did not slow this process down too much! Hopefully, the Council understands and it was not too much of an inconvenience for anyone?
Is anyone else starting to see a trend here? With such blunders and apparently extravagant spending, is the City and County comfortable letting these two people negotiate a $24,000,000 contract? If I were on the City Council I would really have to question the whole thing since Clifford was fired the day after. I am sure that none of them thought that it was odd that Clifford would not make such an important event. It is only the largest IT event to ever happen for City/County Government. Now that I think about it. Where was the consultant (Premise) that helped guide them through this whole RFP process? I cannot remember a time when the consultant would not follow a process of this type through until it was completed? Was this just more wasted money? Did they not agree with the choices made? Does the City/County really need all of the services that they asked for in the RFP or was this just a giant wish list that the taxpayers are going to get stuck paying for? Only Clifford and Ed know for sure and well Clifford got fired and Ed, I am sure he can ponder on this for a while.
Liz Brown is probably right anyways, the people of Fort Wayne and Allen County do not really care about this type of stuff. We only care about where our beer comes from and where we can smoke at. Of course at least on the City side I am sure that all of the City employees are OK with the fact that they sacrificed their raises and wage increases for such a noble cause.
As a taxpayer I am truly embarrassed to say that I am part of Fort Wayne/Allen County. This is just icing on the cake for another example of the shortfalls of our elected officials for both the City and County.
It really is amazing the emotions that have been stirred up. It’s good for an individual to express their feelings, but it’s another thing to trash people personally (it is a coward’s way out when people trash others anonymously). There are many positive comments on this blog, so that is encouraging. There are always good things and bad things with governments, corporations and individual people. Let’s take the high road and play nice. Yes, it’s possible to address concerns and problems constructively. That’s how I believe God wants us to behave. Let’s offer a little “grace”. Clifford, ACS, City/County government …. I wish you the best and acknowledge many positive things from all of you.
It is amazing that nobody acknowledges that Clifford Clarke promoted the award of the IT Contract to ATOS which is $4M higher for the City and an additional $4M for the County than the lowest cost bidder. Amazing, because it was not only more expensive, it was also the second best technically. $8M wasted
A sub contractors fate was in their hands. If you did your job, come to work and dealt wih the users in a professiona, you where OK.
This is true, except you forgot to mention that you could get fired if Pete was on one of his bad days where he would get hammered for the Help Desk (full-time) screwing something up, so like a 2 year old getting even, he would take it out on a temp. I even heard him one day say: “I’m gonna fire the next temp i see!”
put on your big boy panties and deal with it! The best way to lose compassion for people is to dehumanize them, that is what Pete Joseph did all the time.
The preceeding commercial announcement was presented to you by ACS and is self-serving tripe.
ACS needs to leave Fort Wayne. They have done enough damage in this community. ACS is Godzilla.
It appears the “Full Monty” may be looking the dragon right in the face. If the “Oversight” people did their jobs, there could be less opportunity to be had by a couple of flim-flam artists.
While there may be a number of folks that “don’t care what happens”, I fear most of them sit in the front seats during the City/County Council meetings or drive the cute little cars with the Commissioners seals on the doors.
As just another really pissed off taxpayer (the number grows expotentally) this should serve as notice to the elected / appointed managers to:
1. Get off your collective duffs and go to the ‘trenches’ where the folks that make government really work spend every day.
2. Remember, you only won a popularity contest. When your popularity goes away, so do you(ask John Crawford).
3. When you got your ‘front seat at the table’ it was not to stuff your own belly. It was to help fill the bellies of ALL the people in this CITY, This COUNTY, THIS COUNTRY!
4. When we are all finished with whatever our lot in life may be, we will be reminded of the old verse that goes something like this. “Your measure of your worth is like a pail of clear water. While you have your hand in it, you can stur and splash and make it foam. But take out your hand and the hole that is left is a measure of how you’ll be missed”.
Grace;
Some of your thoughts about personal comments are well taken and should be applied throughout the blogosphere. Most of the personal attacks you see are not only unnecessary, but they also detract from the main point of the message. And there really is no better way to describe an anonymous personal attack other than cowardly.
However, if you are suggesting that we should stay away from the negative entirely, and only focus upon the good, then I believe you are being unrealistic. Even if the issue is in the past, it still deserves discussion because doing so might help us to keep from committing the same mistake in the future.
I guess that what I am saying is it’s okay to hate the stupid project/law, but don’t hate the person who promotes it.
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Try being a contractor under him:
Buddha teaches that our sorrows and wounds are healed only when we touch with compassion.
He also said, We should live our lives with kindness and compassion for everyone we encounter.
And finally; By speaking kind and helpful words, we are respected and trusted by everyone.
Try following the teachings of your master instead of spreading hate and misinformation about others. I really don’t think you have the right to trash others without knowing ALL of the facts behind decisions being made. I’m sure all of the contractors you have talked to were let go without cause after hearing only their side of the story. Have you checked your facts?
Time to let it go!
Working as a contractor, I know my job can go at anytime. You are a contractor for a reason, just like the people who are currently working for ACS. They have lost their jobs as a contractor also. Sounds to me that someone is a litte bitter that they were dismissed from a contractor position.
In my experience contractor positions are usually temporary or short term. Anyone who doesn’t know that going in is a fool.
I just had to put in my two cents on this. As an ex-TIG employee I saw first hand how things operated at ACS. Clifford was always very nice to me at least and so was Pete and Jimmy. I would agree that Pete could sometimes could throw his weight around from time to time and I didn’t always agree with him, but as far as me personally is concerned, he has always treated me fairly. The biggest problem that I had was that the people, who were the sub contractors that did do a good job, never got the credit they deserved. We did so much more than what was required of us. Most of us wanted to be hired on ACS as full time employees. This is purely an observation but it seemed that none of us were ever even considered for these positions even though we were very much qualified and could have done an amazing job. It seemed half the time we were fixing mistakes that the helpdesk had caused. I heard that people from the helpdesk were saying negative things about the sub contractors when we were being team players and fixing things for helpdesk. To me we were all a team and I value my time spent with ACS, especially my users. Clifford Clark had a huge job that would’ve been hard for anyone and I respect him for his previous work. I wish him luck and hope that this hasn’t effected him too negatively. As for John Colgate, he never said a whole lot to me, but I know he has always done a great job. He is a good person, and he knows what he is talking about. We have always gone to Colgate when we couldn’t get answers from anyone else in management and we always got results. My point is you will have good and bad with any IT company and ACS was no different. Sure things could have been done a lot more smooth but I feel that a lot of people really put their heart and soul into making things work with what we had and I feel that we should be proud of the progress we did make for the City and County.
Was this information made public? Did both the city and county elected officials know about this? If the answer to both is yes, then frankly, I don’t care if Cliff C. promoted ATOS or not. If the answer is no - then - sounds like we have some ethical-like charges to bring against him (which I doubt to be true).
I would care though, if this Ed guy and the rest of the people who are still around in “management” and elected type positions (both county and city), are using him as the scape-goat when really, they were entirely in on the ruse (to promote ATOS) to begin with.
And if they were - let’s ask all of them to go on unpaid administrative leave.
Oh yes - the mayor too.
My point? While Cliff may have dug his grave via the Tim Pape inquest, it’s not like the issues, misunderstandings, and challenges were all caused by one individual (him). He just got caught with his pants down that day (seems to be a behavior we’ve seen more regularly lately with those administrative types…disturbing to say the least).
At the end of the day - the mayor better be taking full accountability for any and all behavior that he allowed to take place under his watch. To do otherwise would be highly irresponsible.
Nick Webster
Pal. You got the wrong guy. I don’t work for ACS or the city/county. I’m really glad you think I’m OK though. Maybe if we ever meet I’ll feel the same way.
I really think it’s to bad you are talking about someone that worked with you and don’t know his first name!!
Kristina Frazier-Henry
“He just got caught with his pants down that day”
OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH…. I’d have never said that!
LoL! It’s Mike Colgate. We just called him Colgate and I didn’t see him much like most the management at ACS. Sry bout the mix up.
As far as ACS management threatening us on visiting this site I must have missed that memo…..
I must agree with Good Ol Boy and Mr. A, because us contractors determine our own fate, work ethic, attitude and skill set has everything to do with it, all the subs I seen go through there, either didn’t have the skill set, had a bad attitude or a bad work ethic.
Ashamed to say that most of them attended at one point in time the same school I go to. Its embarrassing since we are a technical school and have so many students that were not cut out for the entry level positions they were in.
Many of them complained of lack of training or it was their first IT job and they wasn’t sure what they were doing. As far as I’m concerned its their own fault because this is my first IT job also, I just chose use it as an opportunity that most college students do not have, being able to work full time in an enterprise level network and go to school full time at night.
I’m not saying all has been hunky dory but the past is the past and I’ve moved on.
So here it is almost a year later, what ever became of this? After so many opinions and positions taken, does anyone have any facts to post about the final outcome? Reading with interest…