Some National Republicans should stop whining…
Posted by Mike Sylvester - 1/26/09 @ 7:44 pm - Filed Under National Politics
There are several recent media reports from various Congressional Republicans who seem upset that our new President and the Democratic majorities in Congress are going to pass initiatives that the Democrats strongly believe in.
I likely oppose many of these initiatives; however, I do not oppose all of them.
I want these Republicans to understand a simple concept: “Elections have consequences.”
The only reason the Democrats are in power is because the Republicans became a party of big government and alienated too much of their own political base.
These Republicans should stop whining and should start espousing smaller government.
Mike Sylvester
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So Republicans are the only people who whine? Whining is the natural mode assumed by the out of power political party.
As for favoring actions by the new administration, we only have one elephant in the room to look at right now. I can see him, can you? If you believe in this liberal attempt to grow government to socialistic levels and inflate national debt to the point where the mortgage crisis will resemble a pebble, so be it.
I would think that your libertarian instincts would rebel.
Now there is a headline I like!
Gadfly,
The whining in your response only proves Mike’s point! Better get over it fast or it’s going to be a long eight years!
I’m with Mike, I don’t want whiners, I want “rabble-rousers” if you will. I want to see all the RINOS booted, (McCain, Graham, etc) and real conservatives to rebuild the Republican party.
So gadfly, the Bush administration socialized the entire American banking, financial and automotive industries with barely a speed-bump’s worth of resistance. Yet somehow it’s unacceptable (or unexpected) that ObamaCo. would make a push for public works projects and welfare handouts? Obama is doing exactly what everybody expected him to do. It’s hardly worth getting your panties in a bunch over it…especially considering the gaping bleeder Bush & Friends just left us with on the way out the door.
Kaduk,
The democrats led the charge in socializing the financial mess were in now, (and yes, republican RINO’s were there too). We wouldn’t be in this financial pigsty had it now been for the democraps. Watch this.
Oh, I’ve watched and read about it ad nauseam…but the whole dog and pony show surrounding the financial bailout was enough to turn even my callous stomach a few times. If Bush and buddies hadn’t lead the charge, the congressholes couldn’t have come up with a veto-proof bailout plan. They (big money, banks, insurance etc.) should have been allowed to fail, regardless what political faces had egg on them. There are very few of the beltway clowns who weren’t complicit in this mess in one way or another.
Although only for the sake of a quick chuckle, I should note that Ron Paul’s hands are clean on this one. :)
My only point is that whining and throwing fits over Democrats socializing and nationalizing things is not only a touch ironic considering the recent circumstances, but also as useless as admonishing a bear for defecating in the woods.
Here’s the deal boys & girls, I didn’t approve of ANY bailout. What President Bush & Congress did by throwing money at everybody under the sun was not only unnecessary, it was futile.
I didn’t like it then, and I sure as hell don’t like it now, no matter who is in ofice, it ain’t gonna help. It’s not about stimulus at all now, it’s about changing society completely because they have us, the banks, and now the automakers by the balls.
As Greasy Joe Biden says “gird your loins” because the poor bastards that wanted hope and change are going to be really pissed when they wake up in the not to distant future and notice over half of their weekly paycheck is going to taxes, and it will because it’s economically impossible to pay back 3 trillion dollars without raping the bejesus out of ALL taxpayers.
There’s gonna be a lot of broke motherf&*k#rs in this country, from ALL walks of life.
Our government is doing the exact same thing that general motors did, borrow money and keep doing the same stupid shit over and over.
Gird your loins indeed.
Gadfly,
Certianly there are things president Obama supports that I do not; however, I do not automatically disagree with him because he is a Democrat.
For example he seems to want to eventually close Gitmo. I support that.
Mike
This is not a Republican / Democrat thing - both parties are to blame for the mess we are in. Both parties have and will continue to throw tax dollars at useless plans to save our economy. In the end, free market will save this. Companies will fail, and more nimble companies will replace them. I believe in targeted tax cuts for businesses that create jobs in America. The key word is *targeted*
I don’t think that general tax cuts work as well anymore. In the 80s and before - when we used to make things in America, a tax cut might cause Americans to create jobs and buy goods. Many of these goods were created here in America which spurred more American jobs. This is no longer that way.
When a taxpayer takes their rebate check to Best Buy to purchase an LCD TV, there is some margin to the retailer but the jobs impact here in the US is minimal. I think these stimulus’s are short term in the US and benefit countries like China and India more than us. And for those of us that save our tax rebates - what do we invest in ? Overseas funds. I’ve had much of my portfolio invested in non-US companies and geographical (Asia) directed funds.
So whatever is done - it needs to reward those people that are creating jobs and investing here in America. There must be an incentive to do this.
To me, there is very little difference anymore in conservatives and liberals. The republican party is a horrific mess right now. I find it harder and harder to vote republican every time. I think i’m going to start voting like democrats usually do. If he looks and sounds presidential that’s who i’m voting for.
Tim,
I agree with you. Voting for someone that looked and sounded Presidential would be a switch for most Republicans.
From a pure political perspective, the Republicans in congress last night made a very scary wager. By unanimously voting against the stimulous package, they have staked their 2010 chances on the economy not improving. If the economoy improves, even just slightly, the Dems will claim victory and the GOP will likely have an even smaller minority in 2011 and could lose control of the house for decades.
The dems should like their odds, I think even the most pessimistic amoung us (Sylvester, Kalb et al.) probably believe that the economy will be improving by the Fall of 2010.
The way I see it, the unanimous vote is a positive sign of solidarity in the GOP ranks. Politically, we will have to wait and see what the impact is in each district. I don’t believe that Rep. Souder’s no vote will have any effect his decision to run for reelection in 2010 one way or another.
The republican party is the WORST marketing group ever!!!! They need to vote no and tell the people why its not a good idea to vote yes. Instead of letting the democrats and the press manipulate a headline or sound bite!! If they’d get out and tell the american people why a NO vote for this “stimulus” package is a good thing most americans would agree. But all we hear is from the democratic side, “those mean spirited republicans, those “big” business conservatives, etc.
Souder voted NO, say it ain’t so. He voted yes for the financial bail out. Well that didn’t work. I hope this makes his decision to NOT RUN easier. I would feel much better about my party if Mark Souder wasn’t its leading spoke person, or Steve Shine for that matter. They both need to go!! And fast
All reports that I have read do not show the economy improving by 2010. They say things should start to turn around by the end of 2011.
Mike Pence was on WOWO this morning denouncing the stimulus. Kudos to him for that.
Who believes that the President should have a line item Veto?
I do.
Fort Wayne Politics next survey.
Let us put this in perspectve, we are all on the hook for this government bill. Do we trust our leaders to make the correct fiscal package to stimulate the economy. I say let tarp funds go away & let business’ fail if they steered off course, it’s part of the on-going process. Why let the government play micro-management economy for everyone? Do you all want to live in a Nationalized economy where you can not invest in anything solid or take a risk?
Lets bring back unique common sense to all government, provide us with smaller government and promote a break up of huge institutions.
Who is tired of big government give-aways? I am.
Looks like the first $350B stimulus was nothing last Nov. Here’s what our wise government is doing..coming now…major economy freight train wreck.
“In a swift victory for President Barack Obama, the Democratic-controlled House approved a historically huge $819 billion stimulus bill Wednesday night with spending increases.”
Roll call vote
All Republicans voted against President Barack Obama’s spending plan. Of the Democrats, 11 voted against the measure. Among them: Allen Boyd, D-Fla., Bobby Bright, D-Ala., Jim Cooper, D-Tenn., Brad Ellsworth, D-Ind., Parker Griffith, D-Ala., Paul Kanjorski, D-Penn., Frank M. Kratovil, D-Md., Walt Minnick, D-Idaho, John E. Peterson, D-Penn., Heath Shuler, D-N.C., and Gene Taylor, D-Miss.
Mr. Green Jeans,
As odd it as it may seem, perhaps the Republicans in the House voted no because the stimulus is anathema to small-government conservative principle. Now that they don’t have to carry Bush’s water anymore, and now that they have a couple of sound electoral defeats to help show them the error of running big-government moderate liberals under the “republican” label, maybe they’re starting to return to their principled and effective ideological roots.
Rumpole,
Apparently you have your head up your rumpole (so to speak). You seemed to have missed my intro comment “from a purely political perspective”. I was addressing only the gamesmanship and strategy that is surely also a part of this vote.
Mr. Green Jeans,
I did miss that. Thank you for setting me straight.
Rumpole,
Thanks for that last comment (@ 11:29pm). I was feeling rather down but the laughter you gave me just lifted my spirits…
Laugh if you want. But I’ve got to think that architects like Newt Gingrich see the potential for 2010 to look like 1994. And Newt rightly admits that the only way for that to happen is for republicans to return to their roots and offer a clear small-government alternative to the suffocating flabby-armed embrace of the nanny state.
I honestly don’t think anybody in Congress or President Bush could’ve done a whole lot to fix the financial crisis we are in now - we as a nation weren’t ready for it to be fixed. We’ve known this was coming since late 2005 early 2006 and nobody could do anything about it because, America was enjoying the ride to much to care.
This is yet another point of what I’m trying to grapple with. How do we make sure that our tax dollars and stimulus affect America, not foreign nations. I’m sick of America subsidizing the world. Perhaps, if we would let the banks and all the bad businesses fail, people could ground themselves in reality again and we might be able to compete globally.
http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/090201/bailout_foreign_workers.html